Time Traveling UFOs, Lost Alchemy Secrets & The Physics of Seeing the Future | Dr. Eric Wargo

Summary

Anthropologist Eric Wargo argues that the future can influence the present through retrocausation, offering a single mechanism for precognitive dreams, synchronicities, and even out-of-body experiences. He suggests some 17th-century alchemical texts were coded lucid dreaming manuals, while others may have hidden technological trade secrets such as an early form of photography, much as he believes today's UFO discourse is used as a smokescreen by military and intelligence interests. The conversation closes with Wargo's case that UFOs could be time-traveling human descendants who colonized the galaxy in the deep past.

Key takeaways

• 1Wargo says three of his four out-of-body experiences turned out to be precognitive views of his own future, one of them exactly one year later, so he describes them as being 'out of time, not out of body.'
• 2He argues the 17th-century alchemical texts Mutus Liber and the Book of Lambspring were coded manuals for lucid dreaming and out-of-body experiences.
• 3He speculates that Fulcanelli's 'Mystery of the Cathedrals' encodes a secret prehistory of photography, pointing to ammonia as an early fixative and to Fulcanelli's reported silver transmutation.
• 4He claims Jacques Bergier, co-author of 'The Morning of the Magicians,' was a French Resistance intelligence figure who spread disinformation, including a fictional ESP submarine experiment.
• 5He cites David Hockney's research arguing that Vermeer secretly used a camera obscura, as an example of guarded optical trade secrets.
• 6He suggests John Dee's esoteric work may have served partly as cover for Elizabethan spycraft, paralleling UFO lore as a military-industrial smokescreen.
• 7He links the bird-headed, erect figure in the Lascaux cave and ithyphallic Osiris imagery at Dendera as ancient symbols of REM-sleep dreaming and out-of-body travel.
• 8His book 'Becoming Timefaring' argues our descendants, using faster-than-light travel (which is also time travel), could have colonized the galaxy in the distant past, building on Michael Masters' time-traveler UFO hypothesis.

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Excerpt from Third Eye Drops, Oct 25, 2026. Rights remain with the original creators. Hear the full episode at the source.