An Open-Ended Conversation with Tom Campbell

Summary

Physicist Tom Campbell, author of My Big TOE, returns to New Thinking Allowed to explain his theory that reality is a virtual reality computed within a larger consciousness system, where individual units of consciousness evolve by lowering their 'entropy' through love-based choices. Host Jeffrey Mishlove pushes back on Campbell's use of the physics term entropy, sparking a debate about borrowing scientific language for metaphysical ideas. Campbell also describes his own alien encounters, including an abduction-style 'fear test,' and argues that UFOs, crop circles, synchronicities and near-death experiences are data streams designed to crack open humanity's minds before a pivotal choice between love and fear.

Key takeaways

• 1Campbell says a paranormal experience in graduate school, mentally debugging computer punch cards, led him to spend eight years (15-20 hours a week) learning paranormal arts with Bob Monroe.
• 2In 2024 Campbell changed his claim from having 'a model of reality' to 'the model of reality,' citing close to 40 paradoxes in physics, psychology, metaphysics and theology that he says MBT explains.
• 3He claims quantum physics and the constancy of the speed of light can be derived from consciousness, and that the universe began as a 'big digital bang' run by a consciousness-based computer.
• 4He reports 10-20 out-of-body encounters with aliens, including an abduction-style examination on a table that he later understood as a 'fear test' set up by the Larger Consciousness System.
• 5He cites a Turkish organization that he says has gathered about 800 volumes of channeled extraterrestrial messages over 50 years, all warning that humans are too violent to join a 'galactic circle.'
• 6He claims crop circles, UFOs making 90-degree turns at Mach 2, and a neurosurgeon's near-death experience book are all experiences created by the Larger Consciousness System to open minds before a decisive choice expected within about a decade.

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Transcript excerpt

Any model that was a successful and could explain as many things as mine did couldn't possibly be terribly wrong. It would have to be at least close. I don't, you know, claim that it can do everything all time. Models evolve. They change. New information comes in and and you have new understandings and the models have to change. They have to grow or they have to be thrown out. You know, and that's the way it should be. But it finally got to me in 2024 that I just had explained so many things. I had a list of close to 40 paradoxes and things that were explained with this theory that otherwise were unexplainable. And they all weren't in physics, you know, they were in in some were in psychology, some were in metaphysics, some were in theology. There are all sorts of of these things that it explains very nicely. And I couldn't find in 20 years anything that was a fact, you know, had measurement, was part of an experiment that it couldn't explain. >> Keep watching to learn more. You can now download all nine copies of the New Thinking Allowed magazine for free or order beautiful printed copies. Go to newthinkingallowed.org. New Thinking Allowed is presented by the California Institute for Human Science, a fully accredited university offering distant learning graduate degrees that focus on mind, body, and spirit. The topics that we cover here. We are particularly excited to announce new degrees emphasizing parapsychology and the paranormal. Visit their website at cihs.edu. >> Book four in the New Thinking Allowed Dialogue Series is Charles T. Tart, 70 years of exploring consciousness and parapsychology. Now available on Amazon. >> >> Thinking aloud. ...

Excerpt from New Thinking Allowed, Aug 21, 2026. Rights remain with the original creators. Hear the full episode at the source.