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Jesse Michels, UAPGerb & Chris Ramsay - Flying Saucer Diner

AREA52 Podcast (Chris Ramsay)Jul 17, 2026

Magician and UFO podcaster Chris Ramsay sits down at a flying saucer-themed diner with Jesse Michels and legacy-program researcher UAPGerb to compare notes on the people who may hold the deepest UFO secrets. Ramsay opens by showing how magicians use card forces and planted information to read people's tells, and argues that intelligence insiders use the same playbook in interviews. The talk then runs through dream guests, alleged Air Force program cover offices, Vatican UFO knowledge, and a claim that a monk with a vow of silence was flown to S4 to communicate telepathically with a non-human being.