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UFO Cover-Up Claims & Pentagon Fallout, with Ben Schreckinger

That UFO PodcastOct 16, 2026

Journalist Ben Schreckinger, who first made his name covering Donald Trump's rise for Politico, explains how he put Jay Stratton's claim that former AARO director Sean Kirkpatrick was compromised by a secret UFO legacy program directly to Kirkpatrick. Kirkpatrick called it nonsense and hit back, accusing Stratton and his 'band of pseudoscientists' of violating national security law. The conversation also covers Trump's stance on disclosure, the Jim Ryder lead in Stratton's book, John Herrington's shifting account of the Brent Friedman story, and the surprising overlap between UFOs and psychic research.