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12 UFOs at Lockheed? Unpacking Jay Stratton’s Claims

That UFO PodcastOct 16, 2026

Andy McGrillen and Pavel of CicoActivo dissect former senior US intelligence official Jay Stratton's new memoir 'Out of the Shadows,' which claims a hidden 'legacy program' has been recovering and reverse engineering non-human craft. The standout allegation, relayed from Lockheed's Jim Ryder, is that Lockheed held 12 recovered craft of non-human origin around 2009, with some occupants captured alive before dying. The hosts weigh whether the book delivers bombshells, breadcrumbs, or BS, noting that much of it is secondhand and that Stratton calls out unnamed whistleblowers and media proxies without naming them.